1892 Canada Large Cent

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KEN66
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1892 Canada Large Cent

Post by KEN66 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:21 am

I think I finally understand between OC-2 and OC-3 that Bill in Burl explained to me. Is this a OC-2 with intact N in Regina? I have ten 1892 coins and five I believe are OC-2 and five OC-3. Is one more scarce than the other? Thanks again for all the help I have gotten.
Ken
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Re: 1892 Canada Large Cent

Post by Bill in Burl » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:02 pm

You have to be very very careful when identifying the 1892 Obverses. It is the only year that has 3 separate distinct Obverses ... the 2, 3, & 4. Now the 1881's and '82's had more than one Obverse (1, 1a, 1/1a and later the Obv 2 and 2/1) but they were not all distinct Obverses from scratch. All Obv 1's has the crown tip not touching or impaling the bead. The neck truncation ends directly above the bead and she has a smooth rounded chin.

Look at the chin throat area and, if it is creased/doubled, it is an Obv 2 or 3. All Obv 3's have the extended vertical cross inside the E. EVERY Obv 3 has full lower serifs on the N's. If it has a creased chin/throat and small E's, it's an Obv 2. Some Obv 2's have a full (actually repunched) N in Regina and those are scarce, as there were only 2 Obv 2 dies used that year. The other Obv 2 die (creased chin) has the lower left serif of the N in Regina missing parts of it, as well as the upper serif of the D in Canada is broken as well.

If it has a new, rounded chin/throat, it is an Obv 4 and all Obv 4's have full N's and D's. On a "number struck" scale, I think that there were more Obv 2's, then Obv 3's, then Obv 4's and by far the scarcest is the Obv 2 with the full, repaired N's and D's.

Just try to remember to look at the chin/throat first to eliminate the Obv 4's (rounded equals 4). Then look at the E's to distinguish the 2 from the 3. The 3 also has an ugly "jowly" portrait of the Queen who didn't like it, so that's why they made the Obv 4 portrait that smoothed out the facials and eyes. I used to love playing around with the 1892's and the variety that it offers. Your coin here is an Obv 4, NOT a 2 with full serifs.
Bill in Burl

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Re: 1892 Canada Large Cent

Post by KEN66 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:45 pm

A lot to take in.I will keep studying them, I just mite get it right someday. Thanks again for your help. I just purchased a Charlton standard catalogue Canadian Coins Volume one 2011 65th edition. To help me understand the large cents. So far not so good as you can see by the coin I had posted.
Ken

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Re: 1892 Canada Large Cent

Post by Bill in Burl » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:06 pm

I helped write the 65th edition with Rob, Brad, Dan, Randy and Jim. and we are in the very front of the book thanking us. We each had our own years to initiate and then the other team members vetted and commented on the work. All of us had inputs and voting on the scarcity of each variety. Needless to say, Rob covered the 1858's, 9/8's and 1891's since he had written books on them. We were restricted to just 80 pages/varieties and we needed to show examples of the different types of varieties for every year. It is far from all-inclusive, but it was the first Charlton back section that had ever been written by collectors and not dealers/sellers. We could easily had another 100 pages, but Charlton had to have room for the other denominations/dates for the rest of150 years of coinage.
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Re: 1892 Canada Large Cent

Post by KEN66 » Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:31 am

Great to know you helped in writing the book. I'ts so nice of you to spend your time helping people on this web site.
Ken

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