1882 2/1 type 2 ?

[tour60]

Received this today. I believe it to be a obverse 2 over 1 from the 2nd die shown on Rob Turner's page on the hybrid obverses. What do you think?

[Bill in Burl]

Yes, it's a 2/1, but I've loaned my book to someone temporarily, so I can't tell you what die specifically. Yours DOES have the doubled denticles from Vicky to Canada and both R/P'd A's in Canada, but I see no R/P'd N's, A's or D's anywhere else. Even though it's maybe an F-12 coin, it's a keeper!

[rjd65]

Yes concur. Most definitely 2/1. I have an identical coin depicting the denticle marker and slightly doubled second and third A in CANADA. Its not the rarer double die variety though, an example of which I also possess. I believe these are two different dies as the attributes of the second and third A in CANADA are different for each. These hybrid coins are fascinating. 2/1 varieties are difficult to find and IMO undervalued. I believe I have a 2/1a as well, although this variety is undesignated thus far in any references I've seen. Perhaps that has changed?

[Bill in Burl]

I think the OP's coin IS a 2/1a. By looking at the underpunch you can tell whether it was a pointed or rounded neck tip (truncation). It may even be a 2/1/1a, since about half the coins without the Obv 2 overpunch were 1a/1's. There were 2 dies with the Canada A's, only one of which had the denticle doubling. Then you have one with no A's doubled. Then you have a number of different round-the-clock or nearly round-the-=clock doubling of the Obv legend. Some are well offset, some not and the number of letters involved are different. The 81's and '82's are the most varied varieties to be found, not including the huge number of RP'd 9's in the 1859's.

[rjd65]

Could be. I'll have another look at what I thought were 2 x 2/1s and the 1 x 2/1a in my collection. I designated them several years ago and would only have done so if I was fairly certain. The 2/1a could very well be a 2/1a/1. I never gave that option much thought, but it makes sense that could be a possibility. I've also got another container of 51 x 1882s of which 30 are C2 and the other 21 are either C1, C1a or C1a/C1. I'm pretty sure I ruled out any 2/1 in that group of 21 but I'll have another look at them. Obviously the condition of the coins will have a significant impact on how accurate any assessment is. RD

[tour60]

I would like to see some pics of what you have. Thanks.

[bosox]

Dan Flynn and I co-authored an article on the three die varieties of 1882-H obverse 2 over 1 cents. We published it in the Jul/Aug 2023 CN Journal. The article has photos of high-grade examples of all three types.

[tour60]

Thanks, I will have to find a copy of that.