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1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:47 am
by coindabbler
Found a 1975 Canada dime in my change. I noticed it because of it's thickness.

The edge is 1.88 mm thick compared to the normal 1.16 mm, diameter 17.03 mm.
There are no reeds on the edge.
The beads on both sides disappear, coin struck slightly off center.

I tried to find similar to get a approximate value, if any.

Any suggestions?


Thanx. David

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Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:26 pm
by willbrooks
A broadstrike is a coin struck outside the collar and would result in a coin with a larger diameter, not thickness. If anything the rim would be thinner than normal, not thicker. In order to give further assistance, I would need to see some photos.

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:57 pm
by coindabbler
added pictures
Thanc
David

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:37 am
by Lightw4re
Looks like a modified ring around the coin. To me, it's no a RCM production error.

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2013 10:02 am
by coindabbler
Thanks for the modified comment, I can see the reeds being 'machined or ground off', but how do you make the edge thicker?

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:50 am
by willbrooks
Much better. Thanks for adding the photos. What you have here is a coin that was "spooned." The outer rim was struck repeatedly (usually with the back of a spoon) in an attempt to turn the coin into a ring. After the rim is flattened out sufficiently, the center is usually bored out. Of course, a dime is too small to really do this, unless it for a child. I'll bet you will find it is a liitle smaller in diameter than normal because of the damage. This is why you don not see the beads. Whatever the intention was for someone doing this, you can be sure that this coin was DEFINITELY damaged outside of the mint, and therefore has no additional value. It is not a finned rim error! Cheers,
Will

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:56 am
by verdigris
Will,
Your explanation makes a lot of sense and I certainly don't have a better suggestion to what caused this. However, why make a ring of nickel and not silver? Seems like a big waste of time and effort to hammer the rim smooth on a 1975 dime for not.


Cheers

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:48 pm
by willbrooks
verdigris wrote:Will,
Your explanation makes a lot of sense and I certainly don't have a better suggestion to what caused this. However, why make a ring of nickel and not silver? Seems like a big waste of time and effort to hammer the rim smooth on a 1975 dime for not.


Cheers


Good question, and you are correct. Usually these "spooned coins" ARE made from silver coins and something larger that can be worn on a finger when completed. Maybe some other plan was in the works here. I just recognize the spooning process from seeing it many times before. It doesn't make sense that they used a modern dime here. Nobody can ever be certain what people's motivations are for intentionally damaging coins. I can only assure you that this coin's rim was beaten the entire way around with an object causing the damage seen. Just do an internet image search for "spooned coin" and you will see a million of them that look the same.

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:00 am
by verdigris
Will,
Thanks for suggesting to read up on spooning. :Rechercher:

There's been enough talk of them in other coin forums that I think I know what's going here. This isn't spooned by hand, but in a dryer or water pump. Notice that it's uniformly battered rev and obv which wouldn't be the case if the rim was purposely "spooned". What threw me off, is that this dime isn't exactly what I expect to see from a dryer coin, but perhaps it was rolling a lot more than it was tumbling against protrusions inside whatever the coin was in. That, and the point you made of it being too small to be a ring. Plus... it's nickel; damn hard.

I have a 1977 low 7 nickel that I found roll searching a couple of months ago. I can't even imagine how many hits it took in wherever it was in. I'll post pics when I get a chance over the weekend-- it'll put this '75 to shame :D


Cheers

One tough beaver

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:13 pm
by verdigris
I didn't measure, but the diameter of this coin is slightly less than a normal nickel, and in fact thinner at the rim as well. -- Cheers

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Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:29 pm
by willbrooks
Wow, that beaver took a serious beating! Lol.

Great point.
I agree with you that since nickel is significantly harder than silver, that it makes sense that both heat AND repeated impact may have been involved, or else just more patience in the beating. Like I said, I am only certain of one thing: it is damage. The how and why will always be a mystery!

Cheers,
Will

Re: 1975 dime - broadstrike ?

Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:09 pm
by coindabbler
Thanx to all, I never heard of spooning. Glad I joined, this site will be quite educational.

David