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Never seen both Front and back swl 1935 Dollar. Even better it's a MS-65
Iccs graded. To my knowledge only one seen or only one to exist. Anyone seen one?????

They are not all that rare, I have one myself. It certainly couldn't be the only one to exist.
The rear SWL was caused by die polishing so there would be as many struck as to when the
die was polished and when the die was retired.

Not saying that a rear swl line is rare. I said that both on same coin is rare especially a ms-65 grade.
I never seen a 1935 ms-66 swl anything. I've seen rear swl and front swl but not on same coin and not noted by a third party

I've never noticed them, nor do I think that many people look. ICCS has been noting some "varieties" that haven't been formally recognized before. Once a TPG puts something on a holder, people start to notice, but you are paying more for a "variety" designation than a straight grade. More will come out of the woodwork if dealers notice that a small profit can be realized. They are just from overpolished dies and when they polish, it's not just the forward lines, it's all over the fields, evenly

Thanks Bill. But I need to disagree. Not all swl varieties are front and back. It can be either one. Rarely you see both and rarely you see them at ms-65. The high grade and difficulty to see both swl on the same coin sets error seekers excited.

I should have pointed out in my earlier thread that mine is also a SWL on the front, I thought that you were referring to just the rear. Also it is in MS condition but I never get any of my coins graded so not sure what it would grade.
Again, there would be many more of these out there as once the die is polished, every strike after that would be
the same.

I agree. There would end up being a fair number with that effect and it would not be unusual to have this for both sides. It is more likely that few have actually specifically looked for this on any specific coin. Thus, I think it would be less rare of a coin with such a large mintage (especially given the overall process), and just more rare as an observation.

coinguy .... Your coin looks like it has some wear, both on the Reverse and the mustache, shoulder bow and other places on the Obverse. It is either weakly struck, actually worn, or has had the bejesus polished off both sides of the die.

Thanks Bill for pointing that out. Again I'm saying that the fact it's a high grade MS-65 with both makes it rare.
I'm sure circulated coins with wear will show less water lines. The swl variety in auction brings about $3000 in MS-65 because there isn't many

Also when I spoke to ICCS he mentioned that the rear swl is more interesting than the front, leading to that it's NOT COMMON to have both on same coin.

I've looked at many 1935 Dollars on multiple auction sites and the swl variety isn't often seen especially MS-65.
NOR have I seen REAR SWL indicated. To get this on your certificate the horizon line must not exist and none of the water lines touch the canoe. I've seen Dollars that the lines are faint but still touching.

SO only several coins were produced with all these factors before a true swl was minted and even fewer where both sides were minted before the die was changed.

That's why I'm saying that to have a third party certify the coin at a high grade with both sides is rare.
ICCS does not just put anything on there certificates unless they believe it and on numerous occasions I had ICCS down grade coins certified by NGC and PCGS and especially CCCS.

So what your saying is the holder is worth your 5,999.00 asking price.
So much for the saying "Buy the coin and not the holder"
It is impossible to know how many more are out there that have not been graded.

Of the 430,000 minted, I would guess that over 100,000 were saved or hoarded because it was the first year of issue for a silver dollar. I don't think that many of them found a pocket or a bar-top. There are a great deal of them, the '35's, at every coin show and I just don't think that many people are looking or looked at what they have for SWL(s).

I’ve sold one already ms-65 swl for close to $3000 and seen past auction prices around $3500.
Coin guy you showed us a circulated coin and say it’s uncirculated and act like you are a pro when your comments on other discussion boards are always negative.
If you look on eBay there’s two other ms-65 swl going for $3999.99. At it’s only in the front.
Please stop commenting on my topics.

Piepala80 ..... You should only hope that you had as much numismatic knowledge as "coinguy". Good luck on your auction.

I’m with you Bill coinguy knows a lot

Every coin struck after the die polishing event will have the same short waterlines.
It's so rare that in less than fifteen minutes I found two unattributed on eBay, though in lower grade than the OP's coin.
Had I found only one I would have jumped on it, but two, I'll hold off. not a wise investment.
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